I guess i just needed to organize something...
Hi every one, i just created the mailing lists for the "oxford meeting". Oxford_meeting@lipn.univ-paris13.fr (And yes since this is about a trip to England it's better if we practice english) Here are the names and e-mail addresses in the current list: Julien David <david@lipn.fr> Cécile Mailler <cecile.mailler@uvsq.fr> Kerstin Weller <kerstin.weller@new.ox.ac.uk> Jérémie Lumbroso <jeremie.lumbroso@gmail.com> Adeline Pierrot <Adeline.Pierrot@liafa.jussieu.fr> Sven De Felice <sven.defelice@univ-mlv.fr> Stephen Melczer <srm9@sfu.ca> Basile Morcrette <Basile.Morcrette@inria.fr> Stephen I don't know if you plan/hope/wish/whatever to come. Please try to mention the idea to your supervisor. If you think it's like beating a dead horse i'll unsubscribe you If I have forgotten someone, or if you want to add someone to the list, please send me them their names and addresses. For now, can you all think about something you'd like to talk about, or something you'd like to hear from someone,...? I'd like to propose the following: The meetings last two/three days, so we find two/three topics to talk about in the morning and we try to work altogether or in small group in the afternoon. Of course i'm sure everybody's perfectly able to work on a little boat or during a walk in oxford ;-) Of course you can all propose completely otherwise. Anyway, hope you enjoyed the past week, See ya later! Julien. ----------------------------------------- Julien David Laboratoire d'Informatique de Paris-Nord UMR CNRS 7030 Institut Galilée - Université Paris-Nord 99, avenue Jean-Baptiste Clément 93430 Villetaneuse -----------------------------------------
Hello Julien, Great initiative of yours! I'm a bit concerned with the conflicting information in your email. On the one hand the group you suggest is larger than what I had anticipated (and you are offering to include additional participants; some of which, like Sven, which I'm hearing for the first time); on the other hand, you mention the length of the event might be as small as two days. Because the participants you've mentioned have generally very different interests and scientific affinities, I have my doubts on whether we will all be able to converge on specific topics, and it might very well be that some participants might just be along for the ride (which is fine, up to a point). Furthermore, it is unclear to me whether this project includes going to the Oxford to give courses to local students, or whether it's to organize a mini-seminar just amongst ourselves. I originally thought it was the former, but now I see that it might be overly-optimistic of me to assume students would stick around during the summer to get our courses (but then, didn't we plan on an early September date?). Regarding the topic, when Kerstin mentioned the idea, and what Basile initially thought of, is to focus on the symbolic method. This will be our main topic as it seems to not have been exported to the UK. The concept of proselytizing Flajolet's symbolic method and analytic combinatorics is something that is very dear to our community and I'm fairly sure this particular proposition will get a lot of support, and is fairly well defined and delimited. Basile has already taught it, I have worked with Philippe to write an abridged (completely unfinished) "Analytic Combinatorics for PhD students", so basically this material is done with. Finding connected topics would not be difficult. My hunch would be to include something probabilistic in nature — such as random generation (for instance, "Boltzmann sampling" is actually just the continuation of the symbolic method). All my best, Jérémie. PS: I thought we agreed this would be a "*zumpozioom*"?! PPS: by the way Kerstin, you're so popular you've already been added to Aléa's web page: http://igm.univ-mlv.fr/~nicaud/webalea/
Jérémie, there is nothing "clear" for the moment about what we are going to do. It depends a lot on what Kerstin is going to be able to organize. If Basile and you can give a course on the symbolic method, that would be great...if there are english students attending the course. Otherwise I don't know if it's going useful to anyone (but maybe I'm wrong here) I'm opened to anything regarding the topics. I'm persuaded that small groups of people can converge on several topics. For instance I would be delighted to work with: - Sven on automata (finite or pushdown) - Kerstin and Adeline on patterns in combinatorial objects. - I'm sure you and I could merge our knowledge in data mining and learn something useful. But let's wait and see what the popular girl has in mind. Best regards, Julien About the date, we decided it would be in early September. Quoting Jérémie Lumbroso <jeremie.lumbroso@gmail.com>:
Hello Julien,
Great initiative of yours!
I'm a bit concerned with the conflicting information in your email. On the one hand the group you suggest is larger than what I had anticipated (and you are offering to include additional participants; some of which, like Sven, which I'm hearing for the first time); on the other hand, you mention the length of the event might be as small as two days.
Because the participants you've mentioned have generally very different interests and scientific affinities, I have my doubts on whether we will all be able to converge on specific topics, and it might very well be that some participants might just be along for the ride (which is fine, up to a point).
Furthermore, it is unclear to me whether this project includes going to the Oxford to give courses to local students, or whether it's to organize a mini-seminar just amongst ourselves. I originally thought it was the former, but now I see that it might be overly-optimistic of me to assume students would stick around during the summer to get our courses (but then, didn't we plan on an early September date?).
Regarding the topic, when Kerstin mentioned the idea, and what Basile initially thought of, is to focus on the symbolic method. This will be our main topic as it seems to not have been exported to the UK. The concept of proselytizing Flajolet's symbolic method and analytic combinatorics is something that is very dear to our community and I'm fairly sure this particular proposition will get a lot of support, and is fairly well defined and delimited. Basile has already taught it, I have worked with Philippe to write an abridged (completely unfinished) "Analytic Combinatorics for PhD students", so basically this material is done with. Finding connected topics would not be difficult. My hunch would be to include something probabilistic in nature -- such as random generation (for instance, "Boltzmann sampling" is actually just the continuation of the symbolic method).
All my best,
Jérémie.
PS: I thought we agreed this would be a "*zumpozioom*"?!
PPS: by the way Kerstin, you're so popular you've already been added to Aléa's web page: http://igm.univ-mlv.fr/~nicaud/webalea/
----------------------------------------- Julien David Laboratoire d'Informatique de Paris-Nord UMR CNRS 7030 Institut Galilée - Université Paris-Nord 99, avenue Jean-Baptiste Clément 93430 Villetaneuse -----------------------------------------
Quoting Julien.David@lipn.univ-paris13.fr:
Jérémie,
there is nothing "clear" for the moment about what we are going to do. It depends a lot on what Kerstin is going to be able to organize.
If Basile and you can give a course on the symbolic method, that would be great...if there are english students attending the course. Otherwise I don't know if it's going useful to anyone (but maybe I'm wrong here) I'm opened to anything regarding the topics.
I'm persuaded that small groups of people can converge on several topics. For instance I would be delighted to work with: - Sven on automata (finite or pushdown) - Kerstin and Adeline on patterns in combinatorial objects. - I'm sure you and I could merge our knowledge in data mining and learn something useful.
But let's wait and see what the popular girl has in mind.
Best regards, Julien
About the date, we decided it would be in early September.
Quoting Jérémie Lumbroso <jeremie.lumbroso@gmail.com>:
Hello Julien,
Great initiative of yours!
I'm a bit concerned with the conflicting information in your email. On the one hand the group you suggest is larger than what I had anticipated (and you are offering to include additional participants; some of which, like Sven, which I'm hearing for the first time); on the other hand, you mention the length of the event might be as small as two days.
Because the participants you've mentioned have generally very different interests and scientific affinities, I have my doubts on whether we will all be able to converge on specific topics, and it might very well be that some participants might just be along for the ride (which is fine, up to a point).
Furthermore, it is unclear to me whether this project includes going to the Oxford to give courses to local students, or whether it's to organize a mini-seminar just amongst ourselves. I originally thought it was the former, but now I see that it might be overly-optimistic of me to assume students would stick around during the summer to get our courses (but then, didn't we plan on an early September date?).
Regarding the topic, when Kerstin mentioned the idea, and what Basile initially thought of, is to focus on the symbolic method. This will be our main topic as it seems to not have been exported to the UK. The concept of proselytizing Flajolet's symbolic method and analytic combinatorics is something that is very dear to our community and I'm fairly sure this particular proposition will get a lot of support, and is fairly well defined and delimited. Basile has already taught it, I have worked with Philippe to write an abridged (completely unfinished) "Analytic Combinatorics for PhD students", so basically this material is done with. Finding connected topics would not be difficult. My hunch would be to include something probabilistic in nature -- such as random generation (for instance, "Boltzmann sampling" is actually just the continuation of the symbolic method).
All my best,
Jérémie.
PS: I thought we agreed this would be a "*zumpozioom*"?!
PPS: by the way Kerstin, you're so popular you've already been added to Aléa's web page: http://igm.univ-mlv.fr/~nicaud/webalea/
----------------------------------------- Julien David Laboratoire d'Informatique de Paris-Nord UMR CNRS 7030 Institut Galilée - Université Paris-Nord 99, avenue Jean-Baptiste Clément 93430 Villetaneuse -----------------------------------------
----------------------------------------- Julien David Laboratoire d'Informatique de Paris-Nord UMR CNRS 7030 Institut Galilée - Université Paris-Nord 99, avenue Jean-Baptiste Clément 93430 Villetaneuse -----------------------------------------
Hi folks, I'm sorry for the late reply, as Jérémie already pointed out I was skiing in the French alpes last week. But now I'm back in action and very happy to organize a little workshop at Oxford :). First of all, why are we sticking to English?! I honestly think, it would be better to make it a bilingual thing as people in the UK love French (and think it is very, very hard) and point it out as a particular feature of our group when we apply for funding. So please just reply in French, I won't start writing German but it would be great if I also get to practice my French. Second, we should agree on a date: I'm trying to get rooms for the beginning of September. Concerning the size of the group/workshop: Currently, I'm always asking for rooms for 10 people. A couple of people more doesn't matter too much in terms of accommodation- if everything false, there is always a sofa bed in my house. @Julien: Can you please add "Julien from Bordeaux" (I don't know his last name) to the list?! Furthermore, I would say that we need 3 full days, i.e. I'm always asking for accommodation for 3 nights. Now back to the interesting bit, the topic: In my opinion, we should have two separated parts. It will be a lot easy to get funding, if we tell people that we are going to introduce the symbolic method/gfun (very important that we will have a lecture and/or a practical session on that!!) to the people in the UK. At least that would be my guess. Everything else I would say is completely up to us. We could do something like introduction talks on the symbolic method (aimed at PhD students, Master students won't be around in September) in the morning, special talks in the afternoon. I would want the members of core group to each give a short (15-20min) and easy (!!!) introduction to their research topic. But honestly, for me the main success would be if we end up in a collaboration (maybe not all of us, but in parts). So maybe, it is even worthwhile to think about problems that other people might be interested in BEFORE the workshop, so we could brainstorm on them on our first day and maybe even start going during the time at Oxford. But obviously first of all we have to make sure that we get accommodation and funding! Does this sound plausible to you? Please let me know what your thoughts are! I will let you know as soon as I get to know if New College can provide some accommodation for us. To give you an impression (and in case you need something to procrastinate on) have a look at http://www.new.ox.ac.uk/Photos-of-New-College-Oxford. Have a nice week and I hope to see you all soon again! Kerstin x ________________________________________ From: oxford_meeting-bounces@lipn.univ-paris13.fr [oxford_meeting-bounces@lipn.univ-paris13.fr] on behalf of Julien.David@lipn.univ-paris13.fr [Julien.David@lipn.univ-paris13.fr] Sent: 11 March 2012 11:34 To: Jérémie Lumbroso Cc: Julien.David@lipn.univ-paris13.fr; Oxford_meeting@lipn.univ-paris13.fr Subject: Re: [Oxford_meeting] I guess i just needed to organize something... Jérémie, there is nothing "clear" for the moment about what we are going to do. It depends a lot on what Kerstin is going to be able to organize. If Basile and you can give a course on the symbolic method, that would be great...if there are english students attending the course. Otherwise I don't know if it's going useful to anyone (but maybe I'm wrong here) I'm opened to anything regarding the topics. I'm persuaded that small groups of people can converge on several topics. For instance I would be delighted to work with: - Sven on automata (finite or pushdown) - Kerstin and Adeline on patterns in combinatorial objects. - I'm sure you and I could merge our knowledge in data mining and learn something useful. But let's wait and see what the popular girl has in mind. Best regards, Julien About the date, we decided it would be in early September. Quoting Jérémie Lumbroso <jeremie.lumbroso@gmail.com>:
Hello Julien,
Great initiative of yours!
I'm a bit concerned with the conflicting information in your email. On the one hand the group you suggest is larger than what I had anticipated (and you are offering to include additional participants; some of which, like Sven, which I'm hearing for the first time); on the other hand, you mention the length of the event might be as small as two days.
Because the participants you've mentioned have generally very different interests and scientific affinities, I have my doubts on whether we will all be able to converge on specific topics, and it might very well be that some participants might just be along for the ride (which is fine, up to a point).
Furthermore, it is unclear to me whether this project includes going to the Oxford to give courses to local students, or whether it's to organize a mini-seminar just amongst ourselves. I originally thought it was the former, but now I see that it might be overly-optimistic of me to assume students would stick around during the summer to get our courses (but then, didn't we plan on an early September date?).
Regarding the topic, when Kerstin mentioned the idea, and what Basile initially thought of, is to focus on the symbolic method. This will be our main topic as it seems to not have been exported to the UK. The concept of proselytizing Flajolet's symbolic method and analytic combinatorics is something that is very dear to our community and I'm fairly sure this particular proposition will get a lot of support, and is fairly well defined and delimited. Basile has already taught it, I have worked with Philippe to write an abridged (completely unfinished) "Analytic Combinatorics for PhD students", so basically this material is done with. Finding connected topics would not be difficult. My hunch would be to include something probabilistic in nature -- such as random generation (for instance, "Boltzmann sampling" is actually just the continuation of the symbolic method).
All my best,
Jérémie.
PS: I thought we agreed this would be a "*zumpozioom*"?!
PPS: by the way Kerstin, you're so popular you've already been added to Aléa's web page: http://igm.univ-mlv.fr/~nicaud/webalea/
----------------------------------------- Julien David Laboratoire d'Informatique de Paris-Nord UMR CNRS 7030 Institut Galilée - Université Paris-Nord 99, avenue Jean-Baptiste Clément 93430 Villetaneuse ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Oxford_meeting mailing list Oxford_meeting@lipn.univ-paris13.fr https://intranet.lipn.univ-paris13.fr/mailman/listinfo/oxford_meeting
A partial answer to Kerstin's mail... qui s'adresse en partie à ceux qui n'ont pas encore eu le temps/l'occasion de prendre la parole : pour faire court, je suggère un lien où vous pouvez vous présenter. On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Kerstin Weller <kerstin.weller@new.ox.ac.uk
wrote:
I would want the members of core group to each give a short (15-20min) and easy (!!!) introduction to their research topic.
This is a good idea. Especially since (I believe) we have people with rich backgrounds, and our patchwork of talk can give a nice overview how things are done in the Aléa community. To this end, and also so we get a bit better acquainted with each other, I suggest we all do what Julien and Alice have done, which is, introduce ourselves in a scientific way. I also suggest that everything be at least copied over in one central place. We could do this on Google Docs, for instance, but I didn't want to force people to get a Google Account if they don't have one, so for the time being this can do (just go to the link and type stuff) : ----> http://meetingwords.com/ac-oxford-people <---- C'est éventuellement un document temporaire, car utiliser Google Docs serait beaucoup plus pratique/puissant/perenne. But honestly, for me the main success would be if we end up in a
collaboration (maybe not all of us, but in parts). So maybe, it is even worthwhile to think about problems that other people might be interested in BEFORE the workshop, so we could brainstorm on them on our first day and maybe even start going during the time at Oxford.
This is, I believe, the most delicate point. I'm not that experienced, but it seems that joint work (like any work) springs from *good problems*. A good problem is not just any problem, because most of them are not solvable, especially not during a three day spans. A good problem is a problem for which a solution is already tentatively on the horizon, or at least faith that a solution can be found. So basically, these good problems don't come cheap, and for this to work, we all have to share problems, which we might have wanted to keep for ourselves -- and eventually ask our advisors whether they have any spare problems lying around. I second Kerstin on the notion that it would be helpful to think about these PRIOR to the workshop, but I also believe that we should discuss, and further weed out the problems which we think would be not conducive to good work, by discussing it online. Hopefully, when we meet, we will have selected one or two (dare I say three? or more?) problems with some hope of being able to tackle them, or begin tackling them in the imparted time. It seems like it would be useful to plan this as a longterm relationship instead of one night's stand. :-) Best, Jérémie.
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Julien.David＠lipn.univ-paris13.fr -
Jérémie Lumbroso -
Kerstin Weller